Our Children Are Watching – Talking to Black Children About R/WS – Part 3

Posted: February 21, 2014 in Uncategorized

In my first book, Trojan Horse: Death of a Dark Nation, I wrote a commentary called, “Our Children Are Watching,” and the lessons that could be learned from segregated proms, which are STILL occurring in the 21st century. I decided it might be constructive to post it here:

Two Proms:  One Black, One White

600x330_laub_blackprom_2009_0313Students from Montgomery County High School in Mount Vernon, Ga., before the prom.

In May 2009, in Montgomery County, Georgia, an “integrated” high school continued a 38-year tradition of hosting two racially segregated proms. The black prom was open to all students. The white prom had strict “rules” that excluded all the black students.

Despite claims from black and white students that interracial friendships are common at their high school, the blatant racism of the white students, school administrators, and parents tells the real story.

A Surprising (and Disappointing) Turn of Events

650x433_laub_whiteprom_2009_0227The white students’ prom was held on May 1 at a community center; the black students had theirs at the same place the following night.

On the evening of the white prom (held the night before the black prom), a small group of black male and female students stood among a crowd of white parents and onlookers outside the community center.

The black students snapped photos and cheered as their white classmates strutted into the building in their high-school finery.  One of black students admitted they got some stares, but claimed it “wasn’t too bad.”

(Their white friends didn’t return the favor by cheering their black friends at the black prom).  Afterwards, over a bucket of KFC, the black students joked about how “lame” the white prom was but their hurt (and confusion) over being excluded was obvious.

One girl, who stated her “best friend” was white, didn’t understand why they couldn’t attend the same prom with their white friends. One black girl predicted that, “half of those (white) girls, when they get home, they’re gonna text a black boy.”

Another girl seemed disappointed that she hadn’t received a single text message from her white friends as they partied at their whites-only prom.

It’s Not About Race (Or Racism), It’s About “Tradition”

In contrast, the reaction of (many) white students ranged from awkwardness to justification to pride. One white male senior — who claimed he had as many black friends as white friends — didn’t see his whites-only senior prom as racist. “It’s how it’s always been. It’s just a tradition,” he said.

“It’s not about being racist,” added the white mother of a senior girl attending the whites-only high school prom. “It’s what we’ve always done.”

“It’s not really about being racist, or having all white friends, or black friends,” insisted one white female student. “We all hang out together, we’re all in the same classes, we all eat lunch together at the same tables. It’s not about what color you are, it’s not about if you’re black or white…”

Voices From a Divided Prom  (Harley Boone is a white female/Kera Nobles, the second voice, is a black female. Notice that none of the white students refer to the black students as their “best friends.”)

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Yes, yes, we know, it’s all about “tradition,” like the fine traditions of America’s Jim Crow past, with its “Colored Waiting Rooms,” separate water fountains, separate schools, and separate black and white restaurant entrances…

segregated water fountainSegregated Water Fountains

Segregated entrancesSeparate Black and White Entrances

“This community and this school system is fine like it is,” the white parent of a senior student agreed. “Why change something that works? It’s not broken. The kids are perfectly fine with it.”

She’s only half-right. The white half may be perfectly fine with segregated proms, but, apparently, the black kids are not:

“I want to have my senior prom with the people I’m graduating with.”

“I don’t understand. If they can be in there, why can’t everybody else?”

“If my best friend is white, why can’t we attend the same prom?”

A Different Kind Of Educational Genocide

Do not misunderstand our point. The tragedy of this story is NOT a segregated prom. It is the LACK of self-respect (and self-esteem) that would drive those bright, caring black students to DEMEAN themselves by showing up, armed with cameras and smiles, to cheer the racist participants of a “whites only” high school prom.

The real tragedy is young black people who want to be accepted so badly by their white peers that they are willing to disrespect themselves, without understanding that surrendering their dignity gains them NOTHING.

The real tragedy is black boys who think it’s a “compliment” to be the sexual playthings and “negro pets” of the same white girls who can’t be seen with them in public, or even at the same prom.

One can only imagine that race relations at any high school that insists on segregated proms is far from rosy or ideal. One would rather NOT imagine what other indignities, insults, slights, and self-esteem damage these black students are experiencing on a daily basis.

This is not a condemnation of those black students from Montgomery County. On the contrary, they appear to be sensitive, loving, (and forgiving) young people. It is NOT their fault they do not understand. They are simply playing the roles taught them from birth in a white superiority/black inferiority system.

Our children are also imitating what black adults do every day. They SEE us smile and pretend not to notice when we are being disrespected.

They are WATCHING as we grovel for crumbs from the economic table, and beg for acceptance from whites even while we are being rejected.

They are LISTENING as we praise whites for the smallest things, and elevate those blacks who are the closest in appearance to whites, while degrading our own black features, hair, skin color, and humanity.

chicago_schools_closing_protest 8NO WONDER SO MANY OF OUR CHILDREN FEEL SO INFERIOR

It is undeniable that WE — black adults and parents — have dropped the collective ball when it comes to our black children. We have NOT taught them about the system of white supremacy because we have NOT educated ourselves.

We have NOT built up their self-esteem so they WON’T NEED TO BE VALIDATED BY SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE THAT SOMEONE IS WHITE. Most of all, we have NOT taught our children what a true “friend” is NOT.

1. Anyone who condones your mistreatment is NOT your friend.
2. Anyone who condones your mistreatment should NEVER be your friend.
3. Anyone who condones your mistreatment CANNOT be trusted.
4. By accepting their bad behavior, you are TEACHING others to mistreat you.

Those who insist, “it’s not the kids’, it’s the parents’ fault,” or who (falsely) believe that the next (white) generation will be “different” (less racist) than their parents, should heed the words of the mother of the 2009 black prom queen, who attended her own segregated prom three decades ago:

650x433_laub_blackprom_2009_0674Niesha Bell, a senior, was voted queen of the black prom.

Niesha’s mother, Angela Bell, graduated from Montgomery County High School in 1978 and also attended a racially segregated prom. “I don’t see how things will ever change around here,”  says Angela, a cashier.  “It’s hard to see my girl in the same situation I was in 30 years ago.

The More Things Change; The More They Stay The Same

The odds are (great) that the 2009 white graduates of Montgomery High School — who claim their racist traditions are their “parents’ fault” — will pass along the same “traditions” to their children 20 years from now.

40 years ago, blacks believed that the Civil Rights movement, integration, interracial marriages, and the anti-establishment white hippies who preached “flower power” and “peace and love” in the 1960s, would lead to the elimination of racism, because these young whites would be “different” than their racially intolerant parents.

Our own experiences as blacks in America — if we are honest — has proven this was NOT the case. By the time these white 17 and 18-year-old 2009 graduates from Montgomery High School have to compete for a coveted seat at a university, a college scholarship, a job, a promotion, or a spouse, it’s a sure bet that the vast majority of their interracial “friendships” will have already bitten the dust.

The segregated proms in Montgomery County, Georgia are stark reminders of the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott of 1955, and the kinds of conversations that could have taken place between black domestics and their white employers,
whose houses they cleaned, dinners they cooked, and children they raised:

“Now, Mabel, you know you’re just like one of the family, but I just don’t understand for the life of me, why it’s so important for you coloreds to sit in the front of the bus when the back seat rides just fine.”

It is time to tell our children the TRUTH for sanity’s sake

To read the New York Times article on this segregated prom click here.

Comments
  1. mstoogood4yall says:

    that is pitiful, those teens went to show support to their white friends at their white prom but it seems their “friends” didn’t do the same. The white students looked happy at their prom and the black students were looking sad, it’s as if people have been conditioned to only be happy around white folks yet look at other blacks as not as important or special. It was really pitiful that one girl was checking her phone to see if her white friends texted her during their white prom.

    Then this (“You’re 18 years old! You’re old enough to smoke, drive, do whatever else you want to. Why aren’t you able to step up and say, ‘I want to have my senior prom with the people I’m graduating with?’ ”). now that is what they should stand by and not allow their white friends to make excuses for why they continue to do as their parents say when it is wrong.

    “But it’s the white parents who say no. … They’re like, if you’re going with the black people, I’m not going to pay for it.”

    oh yes so the white friends are brought and paid for, it’s always been about money and being able to do what makes them feel good without having to sacrifice. If they were real friends they would boycott the prom and just go to the black prom, whether their parents pay for their fancy clothes or not. They don’t want to sacrifice not having an expensive outfit and a limo. it is always black folks that have to put our necks out and “integrate” why do u think it was black kids going to integrate white schools and not the other way around. We are the only people that will send kids into the belly of the beast while others would never dare do such a thing. we always have to come to them they never come to us or meet us half way.

    whites claim to want equality for everyone yet they are not willing to put in the work for it, they want others to come to them and beg, sacrifice, and feel uncomfortable, all for what, just to be around them. smh . The black students it seemed were the only ones saying they want to spend prom with the people they were going to graduate with ,while the white students were just saying well we see them all the time what’s one night apart and it’s tradition. Just shows how we are the only ones that even care about this stuff it is time to not care. The black prom they should be happy let’s be honest if the prom was integrated there would probably not even be a black homecoming queen or king. Everything would be through the white lens.

    • TrojanPam says:

      @ mstoogood4yall

      In my opinion, young white people are no more interested in giving up their white privileges than their parents and grandparents, and are going to continue in their parents’ footsteps, only they may be a little more refined (and deceptive) about it than previous generations, which is not a good thing as it only leads to more confusion for black people.

  2. mstoogood4yall says:

    to me the black students were acting like a woman that waits desperately by the phone for her lover to call but he only calls when he wants something. Parents have not stood up and so the kids do not stand up but accept bs from themselves, each other, and other people. People should not be surprised when these kids settle for relationships, friends, jobs, and life in general, instead of demanding better and holding people accountable for mistreating them or not appreciating them.

    The parents should sit the kids down because they seem clueless, hence the reason they kept asking why can’t we go to prom together if they are our friends and we see them all the time. Tell them none of it is their fault and that they need to let those people go. They are not ur friends, and their parents have corrupted them and even though they see how wrong it is they go right along with it and u should hold them accountable for that. racism white supremacy is where they get their white privilege from, and by u allowing them to continue to be ur friend u are telling them it is ok to disrespect u and not have any regard for ur feelings, and it is ok for them to use their white privilege against u. all that matters to them is that they are not uncomfortable and can have their cake and eat it too(go to the white only prom and still have ur friendship and loyalty) They can have their white prom and their parents pay for their dresses and limos, but they can’t fathom going without those luxuries to stand by u, what friend does that?
    If they will not stand by u for one night at prom how in the h311 will they stand by u through life, through tough times?

    Parents must step up and teach their kids, stop living in fantasy land and thinking everything has changed from ur time. nothing much has changed black youth still get called the n word just now they embrace it, and black people are still killed for little or no reason, black schools are still underfunded, there is still police brutality, there are still black people being fired for the color of their skin, there are still black people being denied their rights, there are still black people being incarcerated and living in ghettos. Black youth should not be navigating this world blindly because black parents failed to teach them about racism/ white supremacy and how to deal with it when they encounter it. That is why u have these black folks crying and apologizing when faced with racism because their parents did not prepare them, did not teach them what to do and how to respond. So the only ways they respond is either with their fists or they submit, which is the way the racists predict how we will respond and only proves them right. But when they are prepared and pull a Richard Sherman and address it verbally and rationally and call racism out for what it is, that is the way to handle it and it catches these fools off guard and so they begin the attacks of calling people thug and ni#3r. gotta be a step ahead of them teach them to be proactive and not reactive.

  3. Shanequa says:

    I’m looking at these black & white senior prom pictures, as well as reading the comments from the students. Most of the black students in the group picture are barely smiling while all of the white students are smiling in there’s. The black students are complaining that they can’t enjoy there prom without their white friends, while their white friends have no problem of not having them there.
    White children are taught at a early age that the world is there’s just like like they are taught the rules of the game of white supremacy. As long as whites see us begging for acceptance, the more they know they are beating us playing the white supremacy game of chess. Again none of these black children parents have taught them the what racism is really about. These white students are sending the message, “that whites can’t be trusted nor can you have them for friends” but our black people are so gullible for there acceptance for any price it might cause them. Our young black children are easy targets to being attack.

  4. Shanequa says:

    These white students are sending the message, “that whites can’t be trusted nor can you have them for friends” but our black people are so gullible for there acceptance for any price it might cause them.

  5. Miss Pam:

    I remember this. Something that I learned a long time ago when my insanity was at its peak:

    Never listen to Drakkor’s words. Look at their actions. The reason why we are so confused as to what’s going on is we pay attention to what we wish to hear, never the OUTCOME of the situation. When we begin to sit still, be quiet and pay attention to that inner voice that always tells us what is really happening, we’ll be:

    Smarter
    Better equipped to handle Yurugu’s deception. In fact, we’ll come to EXPECT it
    Better able to plan for ourselves

    I’m sad for my young relatives but this shall be a life lesson I hope they can learn from.

  6. And ms pam a perfect example of black folks being brainwashed to not call out racism/white supremacy is the juror on the Michael dunn trial, she is a young black woman and said race had nothing to do with it and said dunn was a nice guy. Her parents obviously did not teach her about racism/ white supremacy and the blacks that are naïve are the ones that will be chosen to speak for us or be used against us. Jordan davis’ parents are not afraid to say it was race, so I applaud them for sticking to their guns. Too many black folks are afraid to be accused of playing the race card, but what is so backwards to me is how some blacks will think it’s ok to be called the n word but are afraid of being called reverse racists or playing the race card, it just makes no sense. But then I kinda does because they have a white mindset, whites get scared of being called racist now u got black folks being afraid of calling out racism out of fear of being attacked or told they are whining.

    The only colorblind people there are pretend to be and choose to pretend to be blind to issues where color is clearly an issue. I notice they use a certain black person to do their bidding. I notice they kill dark skinned people and say they fear for their lives and they turn around and use a dark skinned person to say the most ignorant thing to be used against blacks. Anti blackness at it’s finest, criminalize dark skin while also making it the face of self hatred, so they get attacked from racist whites as well as blacks.

    • Courtney H. says:

      @ Mstoogood4yall:

      I watched Jordan Davis’ parents on CNN earlier this week, and while his mother forgives Dunn, his father does not. He stated that in order to be forgiven, Dunn has to show remorse, and he hasn’t. He stated that Dunn has said that he would do the same thing 10 times, meaning that he would kill his son 10 times. He added that Dunn keeps making excuses for himself, and that his family has not apologized or shown remorse either.

      I have to admit that I have been very forgiving of people — both Black and White — for being mean to me, but I’m starting to think that that is why I have been subjected to abuse on various jobs. I have forgiven, but I have forgotten how I was treated. That’s why it’s happened again and again and again. I’m starting to realize that I can no longer afford this. Life is too short for that.

      I read a comment on a blog from a Black person that Blacks have been too forgiving of Whites — and that is why we don’t have our respect in this country after all these years. He has a point.

      Thank you for your excellent comments.

      • @ Courtney

        African’s have been spellbound to forgive Yurugu but hold grudges against our own kind. When I learned that, I began to forgive my relatives on various jobs for hurting me and began looking at the SOURCE of the problem.

        The reason why Dunn cannot show remorse is because remorse is a Hueman emotion. Drakkor isn’t Hueman. They are Man-Kind, which is a “kind of man.” I’m always saddened by the loss of my people because it’s not just that one person who perished but their entire bloodline.

        • Courtney H. says:

          @ DOAN:

          I agree. We have been conditioned to love White people but to hate ourselves and one another.
          Geeweev mentions that in this video, but do you think he is also preaching anti-Black hate at the same time? What do you think?

        • Courtney H. says:

          Here is a good video about this topic of forgiveness:

          • Timothy says:

            Thanks for the video again Sister Courtney H.

            Forgiveness is a very touchy subject at times.

            First, I express sympathy for both the father and the mother of Jordan Davis.

            Jordan Davis was murdered by a vicious murderer named Michael Dunn. Michael Dunn should not receive sympathy or respect for his barbaric actions. He could have killed more Brothers and we know about his racist views via his writings, etc. Now, our people have a legacy of empathy, forgiveness, and humane treatment with members of the human family. The mother of Jordan Davis has been stricken with a lot of pain and grief just like the father of Jordan Davis. Both parents should be respected and the speaker calling Jordan Davis’ mother an offensive racial slur is very offensive and inappropriate. He is right that black people should stand up against oppression, we should never capitulate to any evil, we as black people should not be played for fools (or allow others to manipulate us), and that we should never be stricken of our human dignity. Also, he says that not all black women would be so prone to forgive racist white murderers, but he acts like this is a trend more of black women than black men.

            The truth is that black men and black women are equally oppressed by the same system of oppression. Black fathers and black mothers are equally important in the world. Valuable lessons can be taught by Brothers and Sisters. There should be no distractions in saying silliness like black men suffer more than black women. We are all in this together regardless of our gender. There are many black women who will not tolerate racist murderers or any evil. Now, forgiveness is an individual choice among the victim’s family. I have no right to dictate to the mother of a victim that she can or can’t forgive. That is her business and she has that right. Yet, I don’t believe that the mother of Jordan Davis is sugarcoating what has happened. She is responding in her way. I understand many people who refuse to forgive an unrepentant murderer too.

            We have to make it clear that Michael Dunn never said that he did anything wrong. So, Dunn’s “apology” is hollow. It is fake. Michael Dunn feels that he did the right thing, which is sick and evil on his part. Me personally, I can never respect Michael Dunn. Some black people have used forgiveness as an excuse to excuse or minimize white racist terrorism. Yet, we should never do that. I can forgive my brother (or any of my flesh and blood relatives) for making a simple, minor error against me. An unrepentant murderer is a totally different story. That’s real talk. Now, we should not be social nihilists. Just because we condemn evils done by white racists, doesn’t mean that we believe in vengeance, harming innocent people, being ruthless in an evil fashion, or being selfishness. We should be strong, compassionate, a fighter against injustice, and totally courageous as the Creator would want us to be. So, forgiveness is an individual decision among people. We should not use forgiveness as a means to compromise at all. We can be strong, brave, and loving to our people at the same time.

            The truth deserves no compromise and we need justice. There is no solution to our problems without justice.

            • Courtney H. says:

              @ Brother Timothy:

              Thank you for your response. I had to read it twice to get the full gist of it, because it made me think. 🙂

              Anyway, I have to admit that I call people that I do not like names. I have used the terms **coons** and **bedwenches** to describe house negroes, and other slurs against non-Blacks who slam us. I can understand your comment about the name-calling, though. Sister Trojan Pam has said time and time again that we should not be attacking victims of white supremacy.

              Forgiveness is an individual choice, I agree. I have been taught that if you do not forgive, then God cannot forgive you. That way of thinking is in most religions. However, I agree with MrSuperboy about non-Blacks using our forgiving ways to crap on us. One of the commenters to this video reminded us that (most) Jews have not forgiven the Nazis for screwing them over. Israel sends out the Mossad to go out and kill old Nazis. (it must be noted, however, that Jews read the Talmud, which consists mostly of the Old Testament, where we get that an **an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth** stuff. Christians focus on the New Testament, which contains Jesus* teachings about forgiveness.)

              I agree with you that both Black men and Black women suffer from racism/white supremacy, and that we should not get into this **Oppression Olympics** contest about who suffers more. That is ridiculous and childish.

              And I agree that we should continue to seek justice, though I understand some people who do want to get even. The Black Panthers formed not go promote violence, but to protect their community. When the government began killing them, then they resorted to violence.

              Again, thank you for your response, Brother. Here is another video that has a similar viewpoint:

              • Timothy says:

                You have shown great words too Sister.

                Your words make me think as well. The Sister Trojan Pam is right that we should not unfairly degrade or attack the victims of white supremacy. I have no problem with calling black people who are traitors, traitors and other accurate descriptions. We can call it as we see it without massive disrespectful language.

                Yes, many spiritual traditions do teach the concept of forgiveness in transparent terms. We, as black people, are notorious, for forgiving people. I have no issue with forgiveness that is used in the right way. Forgiveness can never negate justice though. We deserve justice and true accountability for the crimes not only committed against our ancestors, but crimes against our people today. MrSuperboy is correct that numerous non-Blacks exploit our forgiving ways as an excuse for them to exploit or harm us in a myriad of ways. So, we should reject naiveté and understand that we are in a war for our survival literally. I have heard of the Mossad searching for old Nazi war criminals too. Most Jewish people have the right to not forgive the Nazis. People have to decide how to forgive in their own way. These Nazi war criminals should be punished for their barbaric actions. So, if the Israelis can do this, then we as black people have every right to punish white racists who have oppressed our people too. The Holocaust or the Shoah was evil and unjust. Also, many black people (not just white people) died in the Holocaust. The Holocaust was evil and people should never forget about the Holocaust. WWII has a complex history.

                The evils of Hitler are reprehensible and it is evil how General LeMay firebombed innocent Japanese people randomly too. I know about the war crimes in Dresden and how black people including black GIs were victims of the Holocaust too. Black people fought in WWII, but they were heavily restricted of their human rights at all. I am glad that the Axis Powers were defeated, but we as black people are not free yet. The Maafa including 400 years of oppression against black people were worse than the Shoah. Obviously, we should not let it go. We should not forget about the Maafa at all.

                Many Jewish people follow the Talmud. The Talmud is an interpretation of the Torah, the Nevi’im, and the Ketuvim. Christians focus on the New Testament. Jesus’ words on forgiveness were interesting. I understand why some people want vengeance against vicious, evil people. I understand the frustration and anger. Me personally, I want justice. I want white racists who committed evils to be punished for their crimes. That is why we have every right to stand up or our principles and fight for our dignity. I reject being vindictive. I don’t follow Machiavellian philosophies. I believe in justice, reparations, and compensation. The old school BPP was created in 1966 as a means for Brothers and Sisters to stand up against police terrorism and to build in the black community. They never promoted preemptive or unjust violence originally. They believed in self-defense, which that they have a right to do. The FBI used illegal tactics in harming the black community including the Black Panther Party. The BPP were honorable, brave people. Many BPP used self-defense when they headquarters were randomly being shot up by crooked police officers. Fred Hampton and others were murdered by the local police for no reason whatsoever. Therefore, it is hypocritical for white racists to talk about non-blacks receiving reparations and then condemn black people legitimately seeking the same.

                It is hypocritical for white racists for cry about welfare, but they ignore corporate welfare and how subsidies are sent to big multinational corporations. Rev. Wright even preached many truths about imperialism and other injustices in the world. White racists use tactics like to try to equate legitimate indignation expressed by black people against oppression as emotionalism or black people standing up for their heritage as falsely equated to “racism.” So, we about know the tricks of the enemy. Also, I like the part of the video where the beautiful Sister was dropping science about our real history has been omitted in the mainstream of society (and she was right to say that we are blessed with beautiful, dark melanin. She is correct to say that there is white privilege in the world too). So, we have to keep on following the truth and wisdom.

            • Courtney H. says:

              Thank you and you are welcome. I greatly appreciate your compliments and information. I did not know that about the Talmud. Both the Old and New Testaments in the Bible are very complex when it comes to the issue of forgiveness. True, we should seek justice because we have the right to do so, just like other groups that have been (and continue to be oppressed). You are right when you say that white supremacists are hypocritical when they praise non-Blacks for seeking justice, but condemn us when we do. This is obviously white privilege.

              We have to remind people that Blacks died in the Holocaust, too. Black soldiers were tortured and murdered by the Nazis, and there was the case of the sterilization of the so-called Rhineland B——, and Blacks being murdered in concentration and death camps.

              Here is a documentary about a group of Black soldiers who were murdered by the Nazis:

              This history is not taught, and it needs to be (and not just during Black History Month, either!).

              I also agree with the beautiful woman near the end (her name is Phyllis Yvonne Stickney and she is an actress) telling the truth about the blessings of melanin and how everyone*s history needs to be taught.

              • Timothy says:

                Yes, learning from each other is great. Yes, the Talmud is like the views of religious people on the Torah, etc. The Talmud is like social commentaries on religious matters. The Talmud even talks about Jesus too. The Old and New Testaments of the Bible truly talk about forgiveness in an unique fashion. If other ethnicities have the right to call for justice and seek compensation, then we do too. You’re right that white privilege is one reason why white supremacists use double standards all of the time in their conduct and how they formulate their retrograde ideological views.

                Thank you for showing that trailer (of the documentary) about black soldiers fighting Nazis during WWII. Veterans Day is coming up ironically enough. We should know about our history, which includes how black people died in Holocaust and how Black soldiers were murdered by the Nazis too. Hitler was a demonic person and he was the epitome of the satanic nature of the system of white supremacy. Hitler was funded by numerous Western corporations early on in his dictatorship. Hitler was not only a racist, but he was a murderer who allowed sterilizations (as you have mentioned). Mengele allowed perverse experiments on people that I can’t mention here.

                The sacrifice of the black soldiers as shown in the documentary should never be forgotten.

                Our history should be taught beyond Black History Month. It should be taught 247/365. I knew that the beautiful black woman at the end looked familiar. Phyllis Yvonne Stickney is a great actress and a conscious Sister too. She was telling a lot of truths that people need to hear.

    • TrojanPam says:

      @ mstoogood4yall

      So much of our attitudes about white people are NOT based on reality, but on the FANTASY we are fed every time we turn on the TV (boob) tube or watch a movie. I, myself, have been sucked into the deception that movies and TV provides and I think a lot of the white identification of black people comes from this. Certainly, when you talk to black people, most will acknowledge that racism is a problem AND that they or someone close to them have been a victim of racism.

      But along comes that soothing white lotion of watching our favorite white characters in TV shows and movies and white suddenly seems right — and perfect and the more you watch, the more anti-black and PRO-white most of us become without even realizing what is happening to our minds

      They don’t call it “tv programming” for nothing.

  7. Shanequa says:

    @ Courtney H. thanks!
    P.S. you’re right some of our people have to learn the hard but sometimes they still want learn from there mistakes.

  8. Shanequa says:

    @ Courtney H
    Trayvon Martin’s parents were praying for forgiveness toward Zimmerman, don’t be surprise when you see Renisha McBride’s parent do the same. Renisha McBride parents came out in said it wasn’t racial profiling but human profiling. I believe Emmitt Till’s mother forgave her killer or made a comment that mention they will have to ask the lord for forgiveness. Number one black parents are to afraid to stand up for black children when white supremacy attack them. Two black people will drag religion along in everything we do. Three we forgive to much and sing we are the world to much

    @ misstogood4yall
    Yes I seen that clip of the young lady who was juror 8. What I even question the most she decided to come out to the public just like the black juror did in the Trayvon Martin trial to speak out. All the other jurors kept there appearance hidden in both trial instead of the black jurors. I believe someone at the news media had this stage for her to be the one to take the fall especially since she is an openly gay lesbian. Furthermore by her being gay adds on more confusing also there trying to force homosexuality on others to be acceptable. Also juror 8 is a threat to the black race because she is practicing black genocide with her homosexual lifestyle.

  9. Shanequa says:

    I’m surprise no one mention about how juror 8 name Creshuna Miles is being call fat, black & ugly just like Rachel Jeantal was call during the Trayvon Martin trial. I have read several news article comments & black blogs call them both black & ugly. Yes, Creshuna Miles is a lesbian but looking at the fact how our people calling them black & ugly. Also the Afro-Latino juror that was on Trayvon Martin who was fat & light skinned was call black & ugly like her dark skin black counter part Creshuna Miles & Rachel Jeantel

  10. Shanequa says:

    @ Courtney H
    I read the article & I agree.

  11. Shanequa says:

    typo
    I’m surprise no one mention about how juror 8 name Creshuna Miles is being call fat, black & ugly just like Rachel Jeantal was call during the Trayvon Martin trial. I have read several news article comments & black blogs call them both black & ugly. Yes, Creshuna Miles is a lesbian but I’m looking at the fact how our people calling them black & ugly. Also the Afro-Latino juror that was on Trayvon Martin who was fat & light skinned wasn’t being call black & ugly like her dark skin black counter part Creshuna Miles & Rachel Jeantel

    • Timothy says:

      Great Points like usual Sister Shanequa. I disagree with Creshuna’s views about the trial, but she should never be made the scapegoat of this whole affair. We have to keep our eyes on the prize. The reality is that THE WHITE MAN MICHAEL DUNN MURDERED AN INNOCENT BLACK YOUTH NAMED JORDAN DAVIS. THE MURDERER SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THIS ACTION ALONE. It is part of the slavery mentality in my view to blame a victim for the action of the oppressor. Creshuna is a victim of the system of WHITE SUPREMACY. Jordan Davis is a victim of murder as well. Creshuna Miles should not be disrespected or called out of her name. Black is beautiful and black beauty is very diverse. We have to appreciate our black phenotype, especially DARK SKINNED HUMANITY (since they suffer much more disrespect than blacks who are not dark skinned). At the end of the day, we should be fighting white supremacy not each other.

      • mstoogood4yall says:

        Yep at the end of the day a white man has murdered a young black male and not been convicted for it, but because blacks cannot touch that man or would not they will attack the individual they can ( dark skinned female) they did the same to Rachel jeantel and I even saw a dumb comment from someone saying this juror is just as bad and Rachel screwed up the trial. See too many people fall for this stuff, that is why we continue to be stuck. Too many focus on the wrong things and the minor things.

        at the end the judge and the prosecutor has the most power, why are people focusing on the black females instead of focusing on the bigger issue of why the prosecutor continues to go after blacks and give them long sentences like marissa alexander, yet when blacks are killed she messes it up and the killer walks or gets no time for the murder. But no focus on the black juror and the black witness, because apparently they can control the just his system and purposely deny justice to the victim.

        • Timothy says:

          Exactly. We can’t control the system totally, so why are others blaming her for the verdict completely? I still disagree with her views on the verdict, but she is a black human being that ought not to be blamed for the overall oppressive judicial system at all.

      • Courtney H. says:

        @ Timothy:

        Thank you for your comments and response. I like finding sources that teach me things that I previously did not know — people who like to learn are cool! 🙂 Here is another story about another unsung Black hero that I recently read about. It was a link on Field Negro*s blog:

        http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-marine-15-killed-vietnam-article-1.2003597

        Anyway, I hope that you had a blessed weekend, and Happy Veterans Day! (I am glad that you noted that since we are discussing unsung Black military heroes.)

        Bless you, Brother.

        • Timothy says:

          There is nothing wrong with learning new information about the confines of society. I have not heard of this story before until recently. Thanks for showing me the story. The Vietnam War was a complex war. The history of Vietnam has lasted for centuries and thousands of years. RIP to the Young Brother Dan Bullock. Unsung black military heroes should be remembered.

    • I noticed that, They are trying to demonize dark skin. dark skinned males are something to be feared and shot and whites love to claim being scared for their lives, and the dark skinned female is something to be ridiculed and the face of self hate and the mammy. Our people will attack black features and it seems can never stick to calling out the bad behavior of the person it always goes into the attack of dark and ugly or black and ugly. They should just say these people are sellouts and have an ugly heart and a white mindset, but too many have been trained to basically say black is ugly and attack the features because they’ve come to expect people with those features of being dumb, full of self hate, and ugly, almost the same way whites view blacks.

      It is all to create more anti blackness from whites and blacks towards dark skinned blacks, whites view them as a threat, and blacks are starting to view dark skin as ugly and the face of self hate, so they attack the features and will not attack the racism/white supremacy. They don’t attack the light skin sellout juror and call her black and ugly because they don’t view her as ugly and may not view her as black just a sellout. They stick to attacking a person’s character and not their skin tone if that person is white or lighter skin. They may subconsciously expect dark skinned blacks to be a certain way and to be bad, while white and light they think is supposed to be better that is why they stay being shocked when things like this happen or that they voted to let someone walk.
      The black juror didn’t vote to let dunn walk but the light skinned juror on gz voted to let him walk, but yet black folks will hurry up and attack the dark skinned individual faster and harder than they would the light skinned individual that voted to let a killer walk.

      all I know is they have dark skinned women “protecting” these whites or defending them which will be used to further the gender war and create more anti blackness.

      • Timothy says:

        The enemy always has a vicious, demonic hatred of dark skinned black people. That is a given. They promote vicious, slanderous stereotypes about dark skinned people, because of their subconscious jealously of BLACKNESS. It is as simple as that. They know the truth about the value of BLACKNESS and how black people are the original HUMANS. They know about the value of our great dark melanin and the benefits we have as a product of our melanin. NOTHING IS SUPERIOR TO THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE (or BLACK PEOPLE) AT ALL.

        We have to continue to reject the stereotypes as shown by racists. The colorism agenda is truly an abomination and even many among our black people embrace such ignorance. There is nothing wrong with our melanin, with our black African features, and our inherit soul. It is a WAR that we are fighting for our liberation and our human dignity. Many of the brainwashed black people do view black as ugly falsely and see our NATURAL, CURLY HAIR as inferior. So, we are in a war for our survival. This doesn’t mean that light skinned people or brown skinned people don’t suffer harshly.

        They do, but dark skinned Brothers and Sisters do endure a very hardcore amount of injustices as documented in the Dark Girls Documentary and tons of other sources. Colorism creates more anti-blackness as you have written. The light skinned Afro-Latina juror from the George Zimmerman trial received less hatred than the Sister Creshuna Miles has. Miles is wrong on some points, but at least she convicted Michael Dunn on some charges. Michael Dunn should of been convicted of 1st degree murder like George Zimmerman. The Afro-Latina juror totally allowed George Zimmerman to be made not guilty.

        It is also important to tell people (especially those who need true education on TRUTH) that black is beautiful and strong, intelligent black people exist in many skin complexions (from light, brown, and to dark). Racists use black people of every complexion to advance their evil white supremacist agenda. It is not complexion limited. Also, Keep up the Great work in showing the truth in Newsone too.

  12. Timothy says:

    The segregated proms are indicative of the situation that we face. I have a thought in my mind too. It is a great thought. In retrospect, we should not of fought for the thesis of JIM CROW SEGREGATION (OR AMERICAN APARTHEID) NEITHER the antithesis of INTEGRATION. We as a black community should of fought for pure INDEPENDENCE. INDEPENDENT BLACK POWER is superior to Jim Crow segregation and integration, because with independence, you can grow and develop your own resources and powerbase. WITH INDEPENDENCE, you can defend your interests and instill true confidence in the community. Parents have dropped the ball in educating black youth about the reality of racism/white supremacy. Too many of our youth are naive and even justify racism from non-blacks. We have to teach the youth about self esteem and their inherit value as black people. Also, we have to stand up against MISTREATMENT THAT COMES TO OUR BROTHERS AND OUR SISTERS. We have to tell the black youth that their blackness is beautiful and there is nothing wrong with their skin color, their hair, their phenotype, etc. When we do that, we develop our souls and our spiritual strength. Children will feel more alive morally and socially. Also, one person was right to witness some of the black people in their prom looking sad and confused. So, we have to break that lust for WHITE ACCEPTANCE and desire BLACK LIBERATION. They use us and they don’t respect us, because if they respected us, they would fight white supremacy and defend black people (against police brutality, against extrajudicial murder of innocent, unarmed black people, etc.). So, we all know what the game is. It is our responsibility to do something about it.

    • TrojanPam says:

      @ Timothy

      you’re right, it’s our responsibility to do something about this problem called racism. Our biggest mistake is waiting and hoping (and praying) that the ones who practice it and benefit from are going to have some “fantasy” moral awakening and cease the practice.
      That’s not going to happen.

      • Timothy says:

        I agree with you Sister Trojan Pam on late Brother Michael Brown.

        We are at war and we have to acknowledge the war that we are in. It is a shame that a Brother much younger than us will never live to see his 30th birthday. People have the right to use action and to fight back against evil. I hope for justice.

        • TrojanPam says:

          @ Timothy

          One of the problems is we have no strategy as a people. Each incident is treated as a separate, isolated incident while we go on with our lives and then we’re shocked by the NEXT incident.

          Strategy is IMPOSSIBLE without some form of unity, black male PLUS the black female. What I see is more DIVISION, more gang fights all promoted by the white supremacy system via movies, TV shows, images and lies that seldom show black people respecting and loving each other.

          Another obstacle is the refusal to acknowledge the truth about what is going on. That we are being attacked on every level.

          I could go on but I’d only be repeating myself. I don’t know what it will take to make us open our eyes and face the reality that if we don’t come together, we will not make it. Period.

          • Timothy says:

            That is an excellent point that you have made.

            The establishment “leaders” are advanced by the system of white supremacy to contain revolution or to contain rebellion against a corrupt order. The murder of our people is a crime. It is part of America’s shame. We have to embrace the knowledge of self as well. We have to know who we are and love we are in order for us to be free. There are many issues relating to the evil murder of Michael Brown. There is the militarization of the police, the deindustralization of Ferguson (which was created by design), and the break down of numerous urban infrastructures nationwide. The war against us as black people is very multifaceted as you have documented. They (we know who the they are), use religion, economics, government, etc. to attack us. Certainly, black males and black females must unite in order to fight back. Unity is about solidarity too. When they murder one of our people, we should treat it as it is an attack on all of us (which it is). We have a long way to go. I do believe that some of the strategies of the old school BPP can be implemented in our generation. No wonder that the FBI decades ago called them dangerous, because they were actually helping our community. We can’t be naive about our situation. We have to be honest about where we are in order to win. We have to use hope, faith, and action. Peace Sister. Enjoy your Day.

          • Courtney H. says:

            Here is a good audio about this. It adds on to what you are saying:

            http://www.tariqradio.com/main/ep-41-the-king-alfred-plan

            • Timothy says:

              I have heard of the King Alfred plan too.

            • Timothy says:

              Yes, Professor Griff and Zazi Ali are very smart people. My youngest Brother has one of his books. He talks a lot about the music industry, secret societies, etc.

            • Timothy says:

              I have read the entire report from Tariq Nasheed Sister. First, I will show what I agree with him on. First and foremost, we express great sympathy, prayers, and condolences to the friends and family of Michael Brown. Brother Michael Brown has passed, but his spirit lives on. His spirit and the spirts of the ancestors inspire us daily. The Creator is always with us in our fight for justice and human liberation. We know that the murderer is named Darren Wilson.

              Regardless if the King Alfred Plan is real or not, we do know that the government has executed plans to try to stop black revolutionary movements and to increase militarization. COINTEPLRO was created to stop the black liberation movement. Rex 84 was plan that dealt with militarization in times of an emergency too. Even the ACLU has documented the increase of militarization in urban, rural, and suburban communities nationwide. We want answers and we want justice. He is right that we are at war. White racists have brutalized our people for a long time. We have every right to defend our human dignity as Brothers and Sisters. We are dealing with a constant attack on black people by the system of white supremacy. The system of white supremacy is our enemy straight up. Michael Brown, according to many witnesses, was executed in broad daylight. He was on the ground with his hands up (which is the international sign of surrender) and he was just murdered by the police officers. Witnesses tell the exact same story. Hardened criminals are treated worse than him. Even the police chief admitted that there is no relationship between the release of the video and the event of Michael Brown’s unjust murder. The local Ferguson police force use lax transparency and incompetence (by throwing tear gas against innocent protesters, militarizing the police, etc. Many of the same military devices used in Iraq and Afghanistan are used in the States by even local law enforcement. Imperialism overseas and the oppression against black people at home are both are evil, egregious, and repugnant). That is why the State Highway Patrol is taking over many of the processes of the local community. Also, the character assassination tactics against Michael Brown is not working among real people.

              Ferguson for decades has by oppressed by the SYSTEM via a lack of black political representation in city hall (and even among the police), deindustrialization, police brutality, educational issues, economic injustices, and racism basically. So, people responded. It is important to note that most people were not violent in their expression of opposition to tyranny. They protested. Those who rioted did it in response to oppression. I don’t justify rioting where innocent property is destroyed or innocent people are harmed. Yet, we have to see the underlining causes of a riot in order for all of us to figure out solutions. Riots never exist out of vacuum. Riots are done by people who feel voiceless. Riots have readily occurred, because people are responding to the evils of racism, poverty, discrimination, police brutality, and other injustices in a community.

              Black people don’t own every aspect of the communities that we live in in America. That is a fact. The Kerner Commission documented many of the causes of rebellions too. One of his greatest points was about the double standards involving race and crime. We don’t see this type response in mostly white communities or white people who have done the exact same thing as blacks have done. Cliven Bundy has violated federal law and no militarized police is after him. We need strategies, organization, and political strength for us to be truly free. He is right that black people have the right to protect our own communities, even with arms (in a rational way). Black people have the right to be protect ourselves (armed, disciplined, intelligent, and strong Brothers and Sisters have every right to protect black people). Some in mainstream America view white criminals with complex interpretations on why they do it, while black crime is viewed by some in terms of some viewing black people as having a genetic tendency for moral degeneracy (which is totally racist). The truth is that no one should do wrong and most black people want justice and truth to realm in the world. He is right to mention that some self-hating black people would blame black people collectively for the death of Michael Brown, which is ludicrous. Many of the self-haters try to talk about black on black crime when black organizations have discussed and fought against black on black crime for years & decades. He is correct that group economics is fine and we need to build up our own infrastructures with our own resources. There is absolutely nothing wrong with self-determination. We need group economics, but not token “black capitalism.” We need our communities to respect economic justice, health care justice, environmental justice, and true freedom. In other words, there is nothing wrong with businesses growing, but we need workers’ rights to be protected too. We believe in black consciousness, black equality, and pride in our black African heritage. While at the same time, the poor need justice and there must be a radical redistribution of economic and political power as Brother Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. has said. Even Malcolm X criticized mainstream capitalism in early 1965.

              All power should be for the people. That is why we believe in mass struggle against oppression in order for us to be free. Obviously, I disagree with Tariq on issues of gender and dating. You know me. He has made many statements that are misogynistic and he sometimes uses the N word (and other forms of profanity). I have some disagreements with him, but his words on Ferguson have been very interesting. He told many truths that people should realize and understand. We can never solve our issues without discussing about race and discussing about it in a real way. The point is that we should be more united in fighting oppression. We have to have hope, faith, and action. We should use proactive, constructive work in creating solutions.

              Black Unity is a must.

              • Courtney H. says:

                @ Timothy:

                Thank you for you beautiful, thoughtful, and thorough response!

                You are absolutely right about all of the factors that led to the rebellion in Ferguson, Missouri. It was a combination of racism, economic exploitation, lack of political power within the Black community there, racial profiling by law enforcement, etc.

                The militarization of law enforcement in this country is very real. People were comparing what happened in Ferguson to the situation in Iraq. I even read somewhere that people in Gaza and Iraq were sending advice to Americans in Ferguson on how to deal with being attacked by tear gas!

                Furthermore, the character assassination of Michael Brown (and other Black people killed by non-Blacks) is disgusting, but sadly, not surprising:

                http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2014/08/the-inevitable-niggerization-of-michael.html

                You are right that real human beings see through this crap, but unfortunately there are a lot of bigots out there, and bigots believe what they want to believe, and the media play a large role. There are a lot of self-deluded people out there.

                This is why I am so glad about this:

                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2722613/African-Americans-Twitter-protest-media-s-portrayal-black-people-wake-police-killing-teenager-Michael-Brown-iftheygunnedmedown-hashtag.html

                http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/us/if-they-gunned-me-down-protest-on-twitter.html?_r=0

                Economic independence in the Black community is needed, and other groups have adopted this and become successful (mainly because they are not as targeted as Black people). However, people who are economically viable have more power to fight back against oppression than people who have no economic power.

                One of the reasons for a lack of economic power among Blacks is because of divisions among us, and the coons and bed wenches (self-haters) are throwing their brothers and sisters under the bus for political and economic gain. Unfortunately, they are the main ones getting the publicity in the mainstream media.

                I also agree with you about Tariq Nasheeds misogynistic views. He has condoned and excused domestic violence against women and also has downplayed street harassment and insults hurled at women and girls by men and boys, which is reflective of the gender divisions within our community.

                Again, thank you for your response.

            • Timothy says:

              I will never justify Tariq Nasheed’s misogynistic rhetoric though. So, I want to make that clear Sister. In the final analysis, both genders should be respected and we need revolutionary solutions.

              Goodnight Sister.

              Bless You.

            • Timothy says:

              You have shown great information Sister. The Huffington Post article was great in exposing double standards in the judicial system too. Tomorrow, I will look at the information from the other links that you have shown. The video about how Hollywood bashes ethnic groups (like those of Arabic descent) just tells the truth. Hollywood is readily linked to the military industrial complex. That is why the Pentagon consults Hollywood directors including producers all of the time. Hollywood claims to be progressive when it is not when you looks at its history and how it regularly exploit the wonderful culture of our people. Yes, we need economic independence and you’re right to say that it will take some time. Some of our people will wake up and some will not. I hope that all black people will wake up though, but that will probably not be the case. The good news is tons of Brothers and Sisters know the truth and want solutions.

              • Courtney H. says:

                @ Timothy:

                Thank you for your compliments. More and more people are looking at how the media play a role in demonizing different groups of people, which encourages apathy and hatred against those groups. The corporate media lie about all kinds of stuff. At Chauncey De Vegas blog, someone posted this:

                As Trojan Pam has said many times before, it is all part of the system of white supremacy. We can no longer pretend that these are not related incidents. It is a good thing that more and more people are finally waking up.

              • TrojanPam says:

                @ Courtney H.

                I believe the media/government is using black people and STAGED RIOTS to not only demonize us as a group but also to set the stage for larger society. It’s like we’re a dress rehearsal for what is coming. Now, there’s a new ‘black’ movie coming out where a black male is terrorizing a black female and her child ALONGSIDE a movie with Denzel Washington where he becomes a superhero “The Equalizer” saving and assisting white people. I try to warn people that ANYTHING YOU SEE ON TV AND COMING FROM HOLLYWOOD is promoting white supremacy and anti-blackness (which amounts to the same thing) and while we’re sitting in these movies we never ask “How come there are no movies where a black man protects black women and black children?” coming out of Hollywood?

          • Courtney H. says:

            @ Trojan Pam:

            I agree with you everything that you stated. In the Tariq Nasheed audio that I posted, he said that Ferguson is a dress rehearsal for the future, and Professor Griff and Zaza Ali have said the same thing. I have seen trailers for the movie with Idris Elba and Taraji P. Henson about the Black man threatening the Black woman. I have not heard about the Denzel Washington movie yet …

            Dr. Umar talks about this as well:

            In his latest audio, Tariq Nasheed discusses solutions to the problem:

            http://www.tariqradio.com/main/ep42-recall4mike

            Furthermore, here is a video of the interview with the eyewitnesses and the store owners of the store that Michael Brown SUPPOSEDLY robbed. They say that they did not identify him to the cops, and that they did not even call the police!

            http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#pbid=c660b791c3704ff69d4162d7adb7c4a1&ec=Zoam9vbzqOoWNJoE8JJeMKz1wvRkBc27&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fcountercurrentnews.com%2F2014%2F08%2Fferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video%2F

            • TrojanPam says:

              @ Courtney H.

              Sorry about the delay in approving your comment. I believe it’s held in moderation because of more than one link, I’ll check my settings to see if I can change that.

              What I also found interesting was in the commercial for the movie, the white male cop is the ally of the black female who is being terrorized by the black male. I fear this is another tactic to divide us but I doubt most black people will this as programming

              • Courtney H. says:

                @ Trojan Pam:

                That is okay. I really do not know about technical stuff, but I greatly appreciate it.

                I did not know that about the Idris Elba/Taraji P. Henson movie. Is that a hint that they will get together at the end of the movie? That is something to ponder. Also, with racist White cops killing folks (I know that movie release dates are done months ahead of time) and to have a Black woman to be protected by a White cop from a Black man?! OH MY GOD!!

              • TrojanPam says:

                @ Courtney H.

                Sometimes WordPress takes over a blog 🙂

                From looking at the commercial, it doesn’t look like they’ll be getting together. My money says Idris will die, maybe at the hands of Taraji (the black mother) or a (white) cop will kill him. This programming is divisive and dangerous especially since in bad economic times, violence against women always increases and in our communities, these numbers could skyrocket due to frustrations without acceptable outlets. And there is so much resentment between BM and BW that I suspect this will be the case. And a BM friend of mine told me recently that he was surprised by the number of black women buying and learning how to shoot guns.

                The last thing we need is movies like this that could fan the flames of more anti-blackness and BM/BW gender wars — which I suspect is exactly why Hollywood made and released this movie.

              • Timothy says:

                Hollywood is very slick. They never place anything into the public without a purpose. They readily show movies with symbolism, themes, and dialogue that exploit tensions and advance negative stereotypes of black people. I do also believe that the movie with Idris Elba and Taraji P. Henson does promote gender tensions among our community. Some people downplay how propaganda has power. Many people from other countries get a false perception about Black Men and Black Women from movies, TV, magazines, etc. The Hollywood executives could care less about revolutionary solutions. They just want a profit and certainly we live in a state of war.

              • Timothy says:

                The propaganda is really overt in my eyes. You have written a lot of great information on this issue. I live in the East, so Goodnight Sister and Goodnight to Sister Trojan Pam. I have learned so much from Sister Trojan Pam, you, and other black people about the truth.

              • Courtney H. says:

                @ Trojan Pam and Timothy:

                Thank you both for your comments. I believe that both of you are right.

                Thank you for your compliments. As always, I enjoy contributing to the conversation and listening to what people have to say. I have learned a great deal from this.

                Speaking of propaganda, here is a great video about media propaganda from Professor Griff and Zaza Ali. I will give you the URL, but I think that you can only see their videos on YouTube. If so, then go to YouTube and type PROFESSOR GRIFF AND ZAZA ALI ON MEDIA PROPAGANDA AND BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE. This video is an hour long, and it is very informative.

                P.S.: The thing about the Black women and the guns … I do not know if you have heard about this, but a group of Black men in some town in Texas went into a restaurant fully strapped (just like Whites have done) to promote open carry laws. The men were reportedly left alone by patrons. After these recent police shootings, I have read comments online by Black people suggesting that instead of Black men watching football all day every Sunday, they could form gun clubs and practice how to shoot guns to protect themselves and their families. They also suggested that they teach Black women how to shoot guns and teach Black children martial arts. What do you think of this? Thanks.

              • Timothy says:

                I have listened to the whole video. The video was very informative, it made me think, and it was very inspiring.

                I will address the gun issue at the end.

                Both Professor Griff and Sister Zaza Ali told a lot of what is needed for our community (to listen to) in America and globally. We are an international people not just national. One of the strongest points that they have made was about black crime. Now, crime is not monolithic. It is caused by many factors like socioeconomic factors, etc. Also, most crime in America is intraracial (or most crime is done among people of the same race or ethnic group). We see that unfairness in the judicial system, poverty, discrimination, etc. contribute to the high number of black people being in prison (when whites commit more rape, drug abuse, financial fraud, and other crimes than black people in the USA). Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year. For cocaine, whites are over 75 percent more likely than blacks to have tried the drug, while for hallucinogenic drugs, whites are nearly two-and-a-half times more likely than blacks to have tried them. For prescription psychotherapeutics like PAIN RELIEVERS , sedatives, tranquilizers or stimulants, nearly 1 in 4 whites have misused them by taking such drugs without a prescription, compared to fewer than 14 percent of blacks.

                Also, one smoking gun is that crime rates in the black community have gone down radically since 1970. The formula to solve crime is the same (e.g. You have to fight poverty, create job creation programs, and give communities real resources as a means for communities to fight crime). So, crime is not race specific. Both hosts have refuted the lie of “the black genetic predisposition for violent criminal activity.” So, there is a double standard involving crime. When black folks do crime, white society readily call it thuggish or proof of black inferiority. When whites or others do crime, it is explained in a more complex, progressive fashion.

                The truth is that crime is crime. There is no justification for any immoral action no matter who does it. They or Professor Griff and Zaza Ali made the great point of tying what is happening in Ferguson to the black liberation movement in general. For example, the racism, the police brutality, the violation of the human rights of black people in Ferguson is still happening to areas nationwide. The government funding the militarization of the police readily has violated civil liberties, grown tensions, and exposed the folly of that policy. We are at war. Racism/white supremacy is a real threat. I also like who the hosts use sources, quotes, and literature to document their information. That is very good. I also like Sister Zaza Ali’s strength, because she was defending our people in a strong fashion. Real Brothers will always respect Strong Sisters.

                Not to mention that tons of black activists have talked about black on black crime for years and decades. There are independent black organizations now fighting black on black crime, but the mainstream media doesn’t readily report on this (and the reactionaries exploit this action by the media as a means for them to promote the lie that black people won’t talk about black on black crime at all). There is the double standard on welfare. Most black people don’t have welfare, but white racists try to yell about welfare at blacks. Also, most people on welfare are white people. The Homestead Act, many of the New Deal policies (in fact, white racist prevented black people from receiving a lot of the benefits from the New Deal), and other welfare policies historically are things that whites have heavily benefited from in the States.

                The rest of the video make great other points too. We need more community development, because an average person should at least work or volunteer in their own local community. In that sense, you can tangibly see progress by your own hands and you can see it literally. There should be the growth of independent, participatory political including economic organizations too. We have every right to stand up for our human dignity. We have the right to check people who say anti-black slurs or slander our people. The system of white supremacy by definition falsely calls black people inferior and falsely calls white people as superior. There is classism in the world. That is true, but we can’t deny how race and class are used by the one percent to oppress our people. That is why it is bigger than class (though I have no problem with promoting economic justice. I abhor the record economic inequality in the world). It is about race too, because black people have experienced mistreatment whether they are poor, middle class, or rich. We see that attacks on black manhood and black womanhood too (when the beauty and strength of black women are clearly apparent) are evil. We should remember the tragedies of our people like the death of Michael Brown, the injustice of Katrina (when the government used a lax response, corporations stole lands in New Orleans, and the USA rejected aid from Venezuela to help our people), the death of Trayvon Martin, voter suppression efforts, etc. In that sense, we can see the big picture of the necessity to develop our own Power including true wealth to help the masses of our people. .

                The system of white supremacy is responsible for the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America, the death of black people via the Maafa, etc. Even poor whites have white privilege. Poor whites suffer poverty, but they never suffer as much as black slaves or the black poor today (because black people who are poor suffer racism and classism at the same time). The mainstream media (which is controlled by select multinational corporations) has shown propaganda for years. We can look how the media made false claims about Iraq during the run up to the Iraq War to witness it. Many people are brainwashed to disrespect the dignity of black people when black people are the first humans on Earth. Sister Zaza Ali said that we should never embrace fear since white supremacy is never omnipotent. Only the Creator is. We have to use unique strategies, organize, and mobilize our people. It doesn’t matter what they think about us. It does matter how we think about ourselves and how can we motivate ourselves to be truly free. All black people are entitled to justice.

                As for guns, guns are tools. They can be used for good or evil. I have no problem with strong, trained, intelligent, and focused Brothers and Sisters owning guns and protecting our communities. There are historical precedents for this. For example, Brother Robert Williams, the Deacons of Defense, and the BPP (which were filled with Strong Brothers and Strong Sisters) used guns to protect the black community. The strategies of the BPP are relevant in our time since they established community participatory, democracy programs, and they monitored police activity in our communities decades ago. We need similar strategies in our time. Yes, I have no issue with black people (among many ages) learning self defense techniques or martial arts. My advice is that people should learn multiple disciplines not just one.

                Also, they are right to say that black people historically have supported non-black social movements in a higher level than non-blacks have supported our movement for social change. We have to have a social responsibility and talk about police brutality, our culture, our history, racial profiling, and other relevant issues of Black People. We need altruism not selfish individualism. I believe in treating my neighbor as myself, but we should not be played. We have every right to advance our interests positively and constructively. That (or advancing black self determination and the growth of Black Power progressively) is not racism. That is realism, reality, and truth. It is common sense for us to have black solidarity as one people struggling for our liberation. Also, we should advance more self-determination in our communities. We should definitely unite more as a means to get solutions and get things accomplished that can benefit our people collectively.

          • Timothy says:

            The movies of the Equalizer and the new movie with the actors Idris Ebla feels like deja vu with the same message of degrading black people while praising whiteness. You are right on that point Sister Trojan Pam. It is a shame indeed.

            • TrojanPam says:

              @ Timothy

              unfortunately, those who see what is happening (programming) are in a minority and those who might see it don’t care enough to not plunk down their hard earned cash and make racist hollywood even richer

              • Courtney H. says:

                That is true. You are both right.

                Here is a radio show that I listened to yesterday. I only listened to part of it (it is more than two hours long). And be forewarned — it contains a lot of profanity and name-calling.

                Any thoughts?

              • Timothy says:

                I have listened to the video and the video is definitely unique and different.

                That is my first impression. We are in a racial and class struggle for our liberation. The video shows the views of one person, who is honest about his ideologies. His views are blatantly a hybrid of truths and things that I don’t agree with it. Many of his words are vulgar and focused on ad hominem attacks instead of rational critiques. The best way to go about discussing information about the video is first I will show where I agree with him and then I will show where I strongly disagree with him (you know where I disagree with him on. LOL). His video is emotional and he is right that the black community in general (not only in Ferguson) should unite more and develop more not only economic power, but political power too. For thousands of years in the Motherland, our great black African ancestors have had trade, economic development, and great civilizations excluding cut throat capitalism. We can do the same today in our generation. We should talk and do more than that. People have every right to go into Ferguson and to help out the people of Ferguson.

                We have to listen to the people of Ferguson, because their insights are very valuable. He is correct to say that Ferguson should increase the amount of black owned institutions and businesses (as advocated by Malcolm X and even Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. before he was assassinated), but these enterprises should have a high democratic say by the workers. Workers deserve their rights to be protected. Certainly, we are at war for our survival literally and we should stand up against brutality and injustice. We should improve our morality and maintain real ethics in our lives. Many other ethnic groups (like Arabic people, Jewish people, Irish, Indians, etc.) using community cohesiveness, solidarity, etc. should be followed by us in a higher level. He is right to say that we as black people should know where black businesses and black banks exist. He is right to say that black people should never forget our history, our culture, and our enemies (i.e. Christopher Columbus, slave traders, Nathan Bedford Forest, those who killed black civil rights activists, and anyone who is a threat to us as Brothers & Sisters).

                We should remember our heroes too from Ella Baker to Hubert Harrison. Also, many black males and black females are doing something in the world today like working in organizations, writing books, organizing, creating enterprises, etc. We should develop plans and strategies as a means for us to create solutions. Many religious places are depositories of white supremacy doctrines (we know about the doctrines). Whether our people are religious or not, our religious organizations should be transformed to show political awareness and advance economic justice (not just spiritual enlightenment). I BELIEVE IN THE CREATOR, BUT THE CREATOR GAVE US A BRAIN FOR A REASON. We need racial justice not imperialism. We should never accept the abuse of white supremacy. That’s true. Saving money and developing our wealth are common sense ways to see our future generations prospering.

                Here are what I disagree with him on. Many of his views are reactionary and authoritarian. He bashes the citizens of Ferguson as if every citizen of Ferguson aren’t owning businesses, aren’t doing positive things, and aren’t working together on many endeavors. The truth is that many residents of Ferguson are working together in doing charities, creating businesses, and standing up against police brutality. So, he places the residents of Ferguson including the poor into a monolithic box. The reality is that the poor are the victims of oppression. They are victims and no victim should be collectively blamed for their own victimization. The ghetto is not owned by black people totally, but it is a colony of the ruling class where human beings suffer injustice. Also, white racists have no excuses for their crimes against humanity. Crooked police have no excuses to execute police brutality. Some use the “no excuse” tagline as a means to obfuscate the crimes of the oppressor. We are not responsible for the crimes of the oppressor at all. We see that poverty is a terrible experience, but most people in poverty are not lazy, immoral, inferior, or sick criminals. Poverty heavily is caused by socioeconomic factors.

                Many people are poor by no fault of their own. So, we should always express compassion to the poor as our leaders and the prophets have done. We ought to fight against poverty as a means for families to develop, so a living wage can exist, and for society overall to improve. It is wrong for billions of dollars in unfair tax breaks to exist for multinational corporations, but the poor suffer massively. Mainstream capitalism (not poor black people) via redlining, economic exploitation, austerity, etc. has harmed the black community. Things must change.

                We should have responsibility for our voluntary actions, but that is no excuse to ignore the structural problems in society either. Most single black mothers are not criminals, want to go to the club all of the time, or deceivers either. For him to call single mothers those vicious names is deplorable on his part. Most single families have the fathers in the lives of those families. Even teenage pregnancies in the black community have decreased into radically low levels. Between 1991 and 2012 (according to the CDC), the rate for Non-Hispanic Black teens saw the largest decline of 63%, and birthrates were down in all 50 states. That is great news and the person talking in the video won’t talk about this great news, because of obvious reasons.

                Obviously, single parents can exist because of divorce, death in the family, or other factors. Just because someone is poor, doesn’t mean that someone is “dusty” or inferior. All of humanity has intrinsic value. Dating and relationships are complex issues and his oversimplification of his interpretation of relationships is something that I disagree with. Obviously, a man should express strength, leadership, courage, and sacrifice. A woman should do the same. A man should never force a woman to like him since relationships ought to exist via mutual, voluntary love among each partner. His demonization of women and many black people is immature. No man and no woman should be unfairly called outside of their name or degraded. He would be better served to inspire people instead of degrading people. We have to fix our problems, but blaming black people for everything under the sun is wrong. I have no issue with protests per se, but protests alone can never liberate us. We are liberated by proactive economic, social, & political actions. Cooperatives are things that I have researched and I have no issues with them. One Sister named Jessica Gordon Nembhard has a new book out called, “Collective Courage: A History of African American Cooperative Economic Thought and Practice.” The book talks about how cooperative economics was used during the civil rights movement. She wrote about how many people were involved in that cooperative economic movement or adhered to many of its concepts like Dr. King, the old school Black Panthers, SNCC, Fannie Lou Hamer, etc. Robert Allen proposed cooperatives as part of the revolutionary process in his book called BLACK AWAKENING IN CAPITALIST AMERICA, and way back in 1940 W.E.B. Du Bois was advocating cooperatives in his book entitled, DUSK OF DAWN (in chapter called “The Colored World Within”). The late Chokwe Lumumba wanted cooperatives in Mississippi too (via the Jackson Rising Movement which still exists in 2014).

                Ferguson’s power structure remains overwhelmingly white, even though the population is not mostly white. Also, economic growth is not enough. He truly shows many truths mixed with economic aims including misogynistic rhetoric too (as he disrespected bigger black women when beauty is diverse not monolithic. There are beautiful Sisters of numerous shapes, sizes, and hues. We are one black people). There is nothing wrong with disciplined, trained, intelligent, and strong Brothers and Sisters protecting their communities and their families. We can have great economic wealth, but if we don’t have great black consciousness & true black unity, then we won’t be free. Freedom is not just economic. Freedom deals with social & political parameters too. We have to be free economically, socially, and psychologically (in understanding that BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL and that AFRICA IS BEAUTIFUL AS WELL. Marcus Garvey and so many other of our leaders are right to say that blackness is beautiful indeed).

                Therefore, the video does make me think. At the end of the day, we need a comprehensive approach in handling our business. We need not only individual actions, but collective actions too. There is a structural system of white supremacy oppressing us and we need radical structural changes in society as a means for us to achieve justice that we rightfully deserve. We have a long way to go, but we should continue to work as we have work to do. We should have faith, hope, and action like always.

                Thanks for the video Sister.

              • Courtney H. says:

                @ Trojan Pam:

                You are welcome. Timothy has already shared his views on the video. I would like to hear your perspective, too.:)

              • Courtney H. says:

                Here is the article about the Huey P. Newton Gun Club in Dallas that I mentioned earlier this year:

                http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas

            • Courtney H. says:

              @ Timothy:

              First thing I would like to say is thank you very much for taking the time to listen to the entire video. I greatly appreciate that fact that you took the time out of your day to listen to the whole thing. I only listened to part of it, because, to tell you the truth, the host was starting to get boring.

              I do not have anything to add to your comments, because — as usual — you broke it down beautifully. The host made some good points about Blacks having an economic, social, and political base and to work cooperatively. Spirituality is needed first and foremost, since without it, we will not be on the right path to success. However, I agree that the name-calling was uncalled for. I like the sentence HE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO INSPIRE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF DEGRADING PEOPLE. Condemning people for their conditions is wrong, like you said. One of the reasons why we have problems getting our act together is because we keep putting down one another. The people who do that within our community do nothing to help (except talk a good game!), and therefore need to left by the wayside, like Trojan Pam says.

              I do not know how many wake-up calls people are going to need before they realize we need to do something. I hope that it is not too late for any of us.

              I cannot think of anything else to say. Again, thank you for thoughtful perspective on this video.

              • Timothy says:

                You’re Welcome Sister.

                Yes, Sister Trojan Pam made the great point of us as black people not to degrade each other. The events in Ferguson, NYC (with the unjust death of Eric Garner), etc. should wake up anybody. I don’t know what the future holds. I only hope that we won’t have the same discussions being in the same situation 50 years from now.

            • Courtney H. says:

              @ Timothy:

              Thank you, Brother, and God bless you, too.

              Thank you for your response. I love how you break down everything and use examples and statistics to back up your points, like Professor Griff and Zaza Ali do. We need to use proof to support our arguments, because the racist reactionaries and their minions of color will not have proof (they use CHECKLIST POINTS, falsified statistics, and flat-out lies) to attack us.

              We need to support our communities in the various ways that you mentioned. We also need to support our communities first and foremost. Dr. Umar Johnson says that other groups help themselves first, so we need to help ourselves first, too. That does not mean that we cannot respect other groups. We should. However, other groups should be expected to respect us, too.

              Thank you for the comments about the guns. If Whites are expected to protect themselves with guns, there should be no problem with us as Black people protecting ourselves with guns, martial arts, emergency plans, etc. You are right — it is not racism, it is basic common sense. (And it seems that a lot of White people do NOT use common sense when it comes to guns — consider the recent case of the parents of the nine-year-old White girl in Arizona who allowed her to shoot an Uzi and she ended up killing the instructor, who should have known better as well.)

              Again, thank you for your (as always) thoughtful and thorough response. God Bless you, Brother. 🙂

              • Timothy says:

                You’re Welcome Sister.

                Yes, I will continue to show statistics and a myriad of examples to make the truth known. You have shown great wisdom too and I greatly appreciate this conversation, because our words can allow people globally to witness the truth (in a readily accessible fashion). The racist reactionaries and their minions of color do use distortion, historical revisionism, and other deceptive tactics as a means for them to advance their agendas. Community development in a cooperative, altruistic way is one essence of our culture. For thousands of years, our ancestors have followed the principle of collective power. We believe in that concept today in the form of group economics, cooperative economics, etc. Professor Griff and Zaza Ali are very intelligent people.

                We certainly need more black solidarity. As Malcolm X and Dr. Umar Johnson has said, we need to work among ourselves in order to witness a revolutionary change (since we live in a state of crisis. When a lot of our people are homeless, without jobs, and hurting, then we have an emergency). I believe in treating my neighbor as myself. We don’t believe in hating someone personally because of their color. What we do believe in opposing the system of racism/white supremacy and believing in justice for our people. We believe in Black Unity and Black Love. We want the growth of black families and the building up of more black institutions. Yet, we should never be disrespected by others though. Other people should respect our people as full human beings (as you have greatly outlined).

                One great point that you have made is that our people need more emergency plans, because preparation is one great action for us to take collectively. We need to develop many plans and strategies to deal with our families and our communities in a positive direction. We need a Plan A, B, C, and more of the alphabet if necessary. LOL. I know a lot about gun history. Many of the racist Black Codes (or laws from the late 19th century) deprived black people the right to bear arms. Therefore, we have every right to protect our communities with guns (in a rational way), martial arts, emergency plans, etc. The nine year old white girl accidentally killing her instructor was shocking news indeed. Many white people do lack common sense since no child should be using an Uzi in the first place. That situation is a terrible situation. I only hope that policies will change in that gun range. Also, keep up the great work. You, Sister Trojan Pam, Paul H, and others are making a real difference in the world. We will continue to show the truth. Our ancestors are with us in spirit and God is with us. We are in the right side of history. God Bless you

            • Courtney H. says:

              I do not have anything to add, since these most recent remarks reiterated my points from before. (I got back from work not too long ago, so I am tired.

              Anyway, the situation of the nine-year-old, I agree, is terrible. She will live with this for the rest of her life. She will definitely need some counseling. And I agree — I hope that this tragedy will cause some changes in how that gun range is run. CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR GUNS! Period. It is basic common sense. However, in this gun-crazy country, too many kids have been getting their hands on guns and killing other people or themselves.

              This is why I cannot stand it when Whites accuse us of not raising our kids right, when they allow their kids to do whatever they want; however, they will not be punished like Black kids always are.

  13. Courtney H. says:

    I know that this is OT, but here’s an interesting article.

    http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/02/caribbean-reparations/

  14. Shanequa says:

    @ mstoogood4yall & Timothy great points.

  15. Mariama says:

    @Everyone

    I really appreciate and enjoy everyone’s POV..As an African mother, I would jump from a roof before I allow my child to be so in need of “white” validation and friendship. These black parents really need to start instilling a sense of self-esteem and worth in their children from birth. The young black adults at this prom look so devastated at not having the company of their white peers that it looked downright pathetic (even though they are young and naive). I REFUSE to have my black child in those shoes. Unfortunately, the black prom attendees were not able to see the complete beauty in the rainbow of colors among themselves. As a parent, this is really traumatic to see this.

  16. Courtney H says:

    Here’s an article about the first integrated prom at a high school in Georgia:

    http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/04/georgia-high-school-holds-first-non-racially-segregated-prom/

  17. Courtney H. says:

    @ Everybody:

    What do you think of this?

    • Timothy says:

      Here are my views on the video Sister,

      The video from start to finish is filled with hatred, half-truths, stereotypes, profanity, misogyny, anger, viciousness, and ignorance. In my spirit, I do believe that this person has a lot of frustration and insecurities, because since the day that I was born, I have known sweet, nice, intelligent, and Strong Black Women. Absolutes do exist in the world. It is an absolute fact that Black is Beautiful, that melanin is a gift from the Creator, and tons of Black Women (including Black Men) have stood up for freedom & justice. Dr. Umar Johnson (who has exposed the prison industrial complex, and other real issues) has to deal with a lot of hate I see. People have the right to disagree with him on some issues, but cursing this Brother out in that fashion as SWP has done is uncalled for. SWP will never do that to a white corporate executive or to other white elites, but he wants to disrespect a Brother.

      In any revolutionary struggle, women must be respected.

      You can’t be a true black revolutionary if you disrespect the Sisters. This person has cursed women and disrespected women in this video. First, IRs are never monolithic in their composition. People know this. Yet, many IRs do come about because self-hatred, insecurities, and other reasons of that fashion irrespective of class and wealth. We have to understand that class doesn’t stand alone in society. People have used race and class as a means to oppress black people. Not to mention that he ignores the fact that white privilege exists irrespective of class. That is why some of the white poor have a false “superiority complex” in Western society. Most black men don’t marry interracially, but black men marry interracially in a higher level than black women. BM and WW interracial relationships have a higher divorce rate than BW and WM interracial relationships. Stats prove it. In America, white men have more interracial marriages numerically. Asian Americans of both genders who are U.S.-raised are much more likely to be married to Whites than their non-U.S.-raised counterparts. Now, the point about interracial relationships is about that IRs in it of itself can never liberate us as a people totally. We can only liberate ourselves when black people work together among both genders and fight back against the system of white supremacy. That is why BLACK LOVE is a REVOLUTIONARY ACT. BLACK LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL.

      We have to work. We have to defend workers’ rights and we have to defend the poor including the oppressed. Progress never comes about without us working, building, and acting. We not only need group economics as Dr. Claude Anderson said, but we need to fight environmental problems, health problems, and economic exploitation. This person can show disagreements with Brother Umar Brother with logic excluding vulgarity, but he goes beyond that. He curses Umar out and disrespects him, which is not a revolutionary action at all. The person in the video is a reactionary by ignoring how the current system oppresses both black men and black women. Black men have no monopoly on oppression. Black women suffer at the hands of racism and misogyny (which is a two prolonged form of oppression and we have the right to defend black women). In the final analysis, we need to build our families, our communities, and link up with Brothers and Sisters globally.

      We are in an international struggle for our liberation. No human is perfect, but imperfections exist in all genders (not just one). Not all black women will disrespect a Brother on the come up. Not all black men will disrespect a Sister on the come up either. So, he expressed a lot of stereotypes. Many black men and black women with issues or problems should receive therapy, encouragement, assistance, advice, and compassion (not ridicule. He or SWP is just ridiculing black women instead of encouraging black women with issues to keep their heads up and improve their own lives. Not to mention that Sisters are beautiful in many hues, sizes, and personalities).

      He seems to forget that many progressive Black Men and Black Women exist in the world that love each other and reject playing games with each other. So, a real solution is for both genders to discuss issues, communicate, show each other respect, and to establish common goals & common plans for liberation. People like SWP talk about simping, but he is simping for the reactionary white supremacist ideologies on gender (since it is the racist white European power structure that has oppressed women and believed that women should be dominated in an authoritarian fashion). A real Black Woman is a Queen. A real Black Man is a King. There is nothing wrong with a Black Man wearing the cape of love of black women, holding the scepter of truth, wearing the clothing of liberation, and wearing the crown of wisdom. A Black Women wearing her crown as a Queen is righteous too. In African culture, the woman was placed on a pedestal. So, we should view men and women as dynamic people with similarities and differences. We should view men and women as great human beings in the overall human family. People like SWP are tired of the truth, but the truth will continue on forever.

      Thanks for the video Sister.

      • Courtney H. says:

        # Timothy:

        That was a BEAUTIFUL response. Thank you!

        I just happened to come across that video. Sometimes I listen to a variety of Black voices to get a different perspective, and I like to hear what other think of these perspectives.

        I should have warned you that the video was an hour long. I know we all have commitments and do not have the time to listen to videos all the time. I also should have warned you about the overwhelming profanity in the video. For that, I am sorry.

        Anyway, you really took the time to break it down! I greatly appreciate that.

        You are right. Sarge Willie Pete sounds like an Angry Black Man who hates Black women and blames them for all the problems in the Black community. I have seen other videos such as this one, and I have seen other videos by more reasonable Black men who defend Black women, like you say that Black women should be defended by Black men.

        In these videos, this Black man defends Black women:

        Here is an article that addresses this very issue:

        http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/07/open-thread-expect-black-men-defend-black-women-attacked-online/

        We have to get together to help one another instead of sniping at each other. I am sure other races have this problem as well, but the media do not talk about that. However, we should not care about that, but instead need to keep on moving and do our own thing to help one another and our community.

        And you are absolutely right — Sarge Willie Peter (or SWP) would not be dogging out a White man like this! This is another example of self-hatred, which is what we have all been guilty of in one way or another because of racism/white supremacy. It is like Zaza Ali said in a video — we tend to adopt the attitudes and actions of our oppressors (Stockholm Syndrome). These Negroes need to be left by the wayside, just like Trojan Pam said.

        I cannot think of anything else to say, because you have said more than I could ever think of considering this video! Again, thank you for taking the time to listen to this video and responding to it! I really needed to hear what a real brother had to say!

        Have a great day, Brother!

        • Timothy says:

          Have a Great Day too Sister.

          Your extra commentaries on this issue are very valuable and eloquent too. Yes, Brothers should defend the Sisters. We don’t witness enough of it and that is why we have to keep on working. It is morally right and just to respect black women and black men. Yes, many Brothers are defending black women in videos and in real life too. You have shown a great link to the article too. We are in a battle for our liberation and wisdom from both genders is necessary for us to understand.

          Those who refuse to wake up with be left behind and Karma will get to them one way or the other. I love your wisdom. Self-hatred must be opposed in a through fashion. We are all victims of the system of oppression, but we can be victors by doing what is right.

          Peace 4 Now Sister. I wish more blessings to you, your family, and your friends.

          • Courtney H. says:

            @ Timothy:

            Thank you so much for your compliments. I really enjoy contributing to the conversation. It is a lot of hard work, but we must work together, and it can be done, because more and more of us are waking up.

            Peace and blessings upon you and yours as well, Brother.

      • honeytreebee says:

        Just have to say I enjoy your back and forth dialogue Timothy and Courtney. :))

      • Courtney H. says:

        @ everybody:

        This is a video that I used to watch until I realized that it is another example of a Black man attacking Black women. I hate to bring up this negativity, but I would really like some feedback on this. Thanks.

        • Timothy says:

          I looked at the entire video Sister.

          You know me since I will drop the truth like usual.

          You are 100 percent about your views on the video. This video is one of the most despicable, anti-black women videos that I have ever seen in my life straight up. The video is filled with lies, half-truths, misogyny, stereotypes, historical revisionism, and the outright embrace of white supremacy (I will get to that point later). First, the video demonizes women by calling Sisters slurs, etc. First off, these women are not those slurs. These women are human beings. They are the victims of the system of oppression (whether they were raped by white people or forced into relationships with white slave owners centuries ago). Any criminal (regardless if that criminal is male or female) ought to be made accountable for his or her actions. No one real disagrees with that. What we disagree with is when some use criminal actions made by some females as an excuse to demonize black women collectively in offensive terms. In other words, crime is not gender specific. Men can be criminals and women can be criminals. No criminal action that is immoral should be justified. That is the point.

          In fact, most of the crime done in America is done by males not females. Most rape is done by males not females. Most economic crime done in America is done by mostly white males not black people. So, the truth must be put into context. The video talks about slavery. According to the Gilder Lehrman Institute, of the total African-American population in 1860, nearly 90 percent were slaves. And, while blacks made up only 13 percent of the entire country, in the South one in three people was black. For black men and women, slavery was an equally devastating experience. One thing that he fails to mention is about the contributions of black women in fighting back against slavery.

          We know about Olaudah Equiano, and other heroes who fought back against slavery. These heroes should be respected and given praise. Yet, this person ignores the historical fact that many of the Sisters not only fought against slavery, but participated in helping slaves escape oppression like Sojourner Truth, Harriet Tubman, Henrietta Ray, Harriet Ann Jacobs, and so many other Sisters. Also, slavery is a tragic history that we must know about. There were many slaves who were informants, traitors, and people who were trying to manipulate others. Yet, slaves who did these evil deeds existed from both genders. There were some male and female slaves who acted in contrary to righteousness, but the vast majority of slaves sincerely wanted to be liberated from oppression. All slaves were victims of the same system of white supremacy. Blaming slaves for their own victimization is just wrong. It is highly inappropriate.

          Blaming the victim for his or her own oppression by slave-owners is what white supremacists believe in to this very day. Even today, there are tons of black women who are lawyers, doctors, business leaders, teachers, etc. who will not sellout black men or black people in general. So, he tries to distort what American slavery is all about (which was a system used to dominate black people. It was a system that psychologically harmed many black people. Black slaves were disrespected regardless if they were victims of white rapists or if they worked in the fields without pay) as a means to promote a political agenda. The video is very sophisticated in the sense that it tries to appeal to black men in saying that he is only looking for the interests of black men. The problem is that the video further spreads division and agitation among both genders and the video never offers real solutions. As a black man, I find this male highly wrong for his slander on black women. Obviously, the video degrades black women and compares Sisters to dog. The video won’t offer real solutions like dialogues, boycotts, economic development among both genders, a promotion of a cooperative attitude, and especially encouraging all genders to stop degrading each other. All black people have to stop degrading each other and start working with each other in order for us to be truly free. The end of the video shows the sick EBT stereotype again.

          The truth is that most black women and most black people in general don’t have a EBT card at all. Many people have it as a means for them to survive. Most people don’t abuse welfare; therefore this man is truly disgraceful for exploiting the suffering of the poor as a means to justify his anti-black woman hatred. He won’t expose corporate welfare though, which is a product of real economic exploitation. The poor doesn’t need austerity. What poor human beings really need are economic opportunities, a living wage, and respect. Also, there are sellouts among both genders. He doesn’t expose people who are selling out the black community who are males like Jesse Lee Peterson (who compared the Maafa to a plane ride, he said that Trayvon Martin was a thug who got what he deserved, etc.), Tommy Sotomayor, “Pastor Manning” (he condemns Africa all of the time in offensive terms), Allen West, etc. So, we should believe in fair treatment among both genders. The man in the video seeks to make black women as the enemy in trying to prevent the progress of the black man, when the true enemy is not the black woman. It is the white supremacists in control that is the true enemy including the evil system of white supremacy. Both genders deserve their dignity and their respect.

          There is another point that is important to mention. I first mentioned that he embraces white supremacist views. In his video, he uses caricatures of black women and scenes from fictional movies that attempts to take things out of context and to demonize black women. White racists view black women as ignorant, loose sexually, combative, etc. Just because someone is playing a character in a movie doesn’t mean that person is less than human or deserves disrespect. In history, we will find that black women (not just black men) stood up against slavery, lead movements for social change, and defended the honor of black people. Just because a black woman may be or may not be a feminist doesn’t mean that a black woman wants to ruin the lives of black men.

          IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, THE GREATEST HUMAN ALLY OF THE BLACK MAN IS THE BLACK WOMAN. THE BLACK WOMAN HAS STOOD BY THE BLACK MAN DURING SLAVE REVOLTS, THE BIRMINGHAM BOYCOTT, THE PROTESTS AGAINST SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID, THE PROTESTS AGAINST THE IMMORAL VIETNAM WAR, AND AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY (WHICH HAS RECENTLY CAUSED THE DEATH OF BROTHER ERIC GARNER).

          That previous sentence alone refutes the video of the male in its entirety.

          So, he believes in an oversimplified, misogynistic view on gender. He tries to slander Brothers who defend the dignity of black women in a progressive fashion as “simps” when he is the real simp for embracing the ideologies of reactionaries and white supremacists. White supremacists believe what he believes in on issues of gender and especially on black women. His other Youtube videos call women the B word, disrespects black men who express a differing point of view than him, and disrespects black women in other terms too. We have every right to use truth and strength to refute these women haters. We have the truth on our side. When we do that, we defend the honor and the integrity of both black men and black women.

          • Courtney H. says:

            @ Timothy:

            Thank you so much for your deep and thoughtful analysis. Discussing these videos with you as well as with others has opened my eyes to a lot of things about the world, and I am learning a lot. This helps all of us to grow.

            I will not add to your comments about the video because — as always — you have said more than I could add. I absolutely agree with you. You broke down the video beautifully, and I appreciate the time that you took to watch this video and to analyze it.

            Thank you especially for the comment about feminism. I consider myself to be a womanist, since womanism seems to be more inclusive. There are a lot of Black men who criticize Black women for being feminists, and it is true that White feminists have used Black women as an excuse to attack Black men (Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill — even though Thomas is a house negro). However, you are right — just because Black women want to be treated equally does not mean that they will throw Black men under the bus. For the most part, Black women have stood together with Black men, and Black men have stood by Black women.

            • Timothy says:

              Also, I do see more women identifying themselves as womanists in this generation instead of feminists. Thanks for telling me the difference.

  18. Courtney H. says:

    @ everybody:

    What do you think of this?

    • Timothy says:

      Here are my views on this video Sister.

      There should be respect given to males and females. The Brother who spoke his mind on the video made many excellent points. There is no evidence that anti-cop sentiment comes totally from a lack of black fathers at all. That is a lie from the racist reporter. Far too often, black men have been scapegoated for every social ill in America. Black people are tired of it and we have every right to refute the overt ignorance displayed by Sean Bergin. The reporter Sean Bergin is wrong on many levels. That is a given, because he is a reporter on a story. He should outline accurate information about a story not to give his obtuse social, political commentary on matters in that fashion. He is easily refuted, because crime is complex. Criminals have existed from nuclear families, single parent households, and many other households. Some of the most evil criminals in American history came from nuclear families. The reporter outlined an oversimplification of the issue. People have the right to express healthy skepticism to the powers that be and express outright opposition to police brutality. I will follow just laws, but I will never agree with unjust laws as the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. has said. Many people across backgrounds have expressed an anti-cop mentality, because of horrendous problem of police brutality not because a lack of black fathers.

      Black men bashing is just as evil as Black women bashing. The reporter knew what he was doing. The reporter used the media as a means to express a perverted stereotype about black men, which deals with an anti-black, pro-white supremacist perspective. The truth is that most black fathers are taking care of their children regardless if they are dealing with a nuclear family or a single parent family. Studies have shown that unmarried Black fathers are highly involved in their young children’s lives, with the majority seeing their kids three to five times per week. Combining this figure with the fathers who live with their children, it means that almost three-quarters of Black children have a father present in their lives. A Boston College study found that Black men were more likely than any other racial or ethnic group to remain in contact with their non-residential children. In fact, 99 percent of unmarried fathers state a desire to be in their children’s lives, while 93 percent of mothers want them involved. Also, many black families suffer as a product not of a social pathology, but because of poverty, discrimination, racism, the prison industrial complex, and other socioeconomic factors. The event of the evil murder of Eric Garner including so many other Brothers including Sisters being killed unjustly by the police should wake people up. Not all single parent households are monolithic either.

      Not all single households are corrupt. Single families have existed because of many issues. Some single parent households have existed because of death in the family, divorce, and other reasons. In other words, we should not ignore morality, but poor black people should never be blamed for the total oppressive system of white supremacy at all. So, we need not only job creation programs, but we need further cultural development. Black people need adequate resources & an end to oppression not austerity. With the creation of real economic justice along with the growth of black cultural institutions among all classes of black people, the black community can further develop. Also, we should always reject the notion that black people are culturally inferior (as embraced by reactionaries). Black people have a great cultural history and a great culture.

      WE ARE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLES OF THE WORLD AND OUR ORIGINAL CULTURE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO WAS BEAUTIFUL.

      We ought to reject unregulated markets and realize that we have the right to fight for our dignity too. Nothing can be done to defeat white supremacy unless we find solutions to defeat poverty once and for all. I do believe that every black household should have their children learn the insights from strong black male and strong black female role models, so that children can appreciate the great value of males & females. The Brother talking in the video seems to believe in cultural nationalism. It is true that the instruments of white supremacy have used policies to harm the black family, throw black people in prison (even innocent black men), and harm black women too. The facts are there. I disagree with him slightly on black women (not all black women will nick pick on a black man doing his job. A real black woman will always respect a real black man. Most black women love black men and vice versa). Yes, black men and black women should do their best to grow their character and be upright as human beings. Just because a black man shows love to a black woman (in a compassionate fashion) or a black man doesn’t act like a thuggish stereotype doesn’t mean that black man is lacking in real manhood.

      We can look at the War on Drugs, many unjust laws, gentrification, and other policies to witness how the system harms black families (laws should exist to be fair for black fathers too). Black men suffer injustices in the judicial system, and other places. Black women suffer injustices in the judicial system, and they suffer misogyny too. So, the sufferings of both black men and black women ought not to be minimized in the world. Fundamentally, black men have every right to express their manhood and never be ashamed of it. The Brother expressed a lot of the legitimate, indignant anger that many of our people have expressed against police terrorism (which continues to inflict our Brothers and our Sisters). We have every right to express our grievances, to stand up for our people, and to do the work that our ancestors have done.

      Thanks for the video Sister.

      • Courtney H. says:

        @ Timothy:

        Thank you so much for your comments! I greatly appreciate the fact that you took the time to watch the video and elaborate on this issue. I really do not have anything to add. Again, thank you, and you are welcome!

        This brother discusses the racist reporter and says many of the same things as the brother in the video, as well as you.

        http://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/the-reporters-comments/

        • Timothy says:

          You’re Welcome Sister.

          You are doing a great job by showing relevant videos, etc. that deal with real issues about our people. There are many people that are enriched by your efforts. I will read the Borther’s words found in the link too.

          • Courtney H. says:

            @ Timothy:

            Thank you. Like I have stated before, I really enjoy being a part of the conversation. I am learning a lot while I do this, as well.

            Have a good day, Brother.

  19. Some body who calls a spade a spade says:

    haha…so hypocritical to accept that mantra about ” it’s not racism, it’s tradition” It is blatantly obvious that the “tradition ” is blatant racism. Yet not a black fool says that to their white friend.

  20. Trojan Pam says:

    @ Some body who calls a spade a spade

    It’s harsh to call black children (that’s what they are) a “black fool” when WE are the ones who aren’t teaching our children by example. We re the ones that allow them to languish in ignorance due to our unwillingness to tell the truth about racism.

    Our children get their cues from US, they watch US disrespect each other then smile and submit to white supremacy. They listen to us name-calling other black people and praising white people (and blacks who look more white).

    We teach them how to function around white people and that the value of whiteness is greater than blackness.

    Personally, I have never met a black adult who did submit to white supremacy (and I count myself in that number) so let’s be careful about throwing stones when we all live in fragile glass houses.

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